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desert warrior. >> first job, first week in l.a., just moved out here. >> reporter: she met this man, sam bacile, seen here for first time on u.s. television. she says he was in charge of everything. was it your sense he was the writer and producer? >> yes. yeah. i really believe he was the writer. he definitely was the producer. he was the one writing the checks, handing out the money. he was running the show. >> reporter: under the name sam bacile? >> mm-hmm. >> reporter: the shoot weird, but never heard any talk of politics or religion. the actors thought they were making a low budget cheesy film with little plot. >> we did wonder what it was about. he kept saying -- they kept saying george. we're, like this is the middle east 2,000 years ago, who is george? but, you know, we don't ask questions. >> reporter: george turned out to be the muhammad character. >> he did. >> reporter: the script handed out piecemeal, sometimes late at night, the day before a shoot. lilly had no lines but was asked to come in after the shooting was done to dub her voice over that of another actress. other actors, she says, went to
the same sound studio, also after the shooting was done, to record the words that sparked a firestorm. >> they brought the actors in, in post, and had them say specific words like muhammad, for example, then they took -- isolated, wasn't in context, so they said, say muhammad. they're like, say muhammad, why? >> reporter: she says, bacile, we know his real name is nakoula basseley nakoula was engaging and cheerful on set. there was no indication of the film's real incent or story. >> like, i was shaking when i found out. >> reporter: really? >> yeah, i had no idea. this is a movie i thought was never -- nobody is ever going to see. >> reporter: you were shaking when you heard about the ambassador's death? >> yeah. >> reporter: dionne feels betrayed by a man who pretended to be a filmmaker and a friend. nakoula basseley nakoula who put all his skills together to pull off the role of a lifetime. >> he had a vision, okay.
him and the director get in arguments. he wanted things a certain way. he knew what he was doing. >> reporter: in this commtown, common experience, but this film, it would be oscar worthy if hateful, as a category. this in los angeles, a muslim and coptic christian leader stood side by side, strongly condemning both the film and the violent reactions. let's listen. >> we cannot allow the action of a few deceived fanatical individuals to define our communities. those individuals are responsible for their deepest actions which cannot be reflective of the respectable communities they claim to be members of. the violence only serves to
continue ahead rather than taking positive steps to start the healing process. >> start the healing process, those comments a short while ago from los angeles, that joint news conference with coptic christians and muslim leaders. and as we roll into the second hour here, i'm brooke baldwin, thanks for being with me on cnn. want to let you know, we are awaiting a speech by republican presidential hopeful mitt romney. he is set to speak in los angeles. he will touch on immigration reform. and first i want to show you something we just got in. take a look with me. this is a poll from the pew research center. it shows that just 26% of respondents approved of the way mitt romney handled the attacks on u.s. embassies in egypt and libya. 26%. 48% disapproved. as you remember, mitt romney came out criticized the white house, even as the details of the embassy attacks in cairo and both benghazi were still filtering out, apparent thumbs down from the public on that one. back to today's speech in los
angeles, here is what we need to all keep in mind here, there has been a battle brewing within the comeny campaign as a result of the battle we expect to hear romney begin to offer, more specifics today, as to precisely what he would do as president. we expect he will start to tell us what he and mitt romney would do differently from president obama, at least that's what the romney team is saying. want to bring in jim acosta, he's with me now from the scene there of the romney speech in los angeles. checking my time, i'm thinking ten minutes if he's running on schedule. but let me turn the question on its head here, why has mitt romney not been offering lots of policy specifics up until now? was there a conscious decision to do that and if so, why? >> reporter: well, brooke, he's given a couple of explanations about why he's not offered a lot of specifics for his economic plan. i'll keep my voice a little low now. i'm hearing shushes from the crowd behind me at this business luncheon in los angeles. but what he's said, in a couple
of interviews is that, you know, if he gives specifics, a whole cottage industry of people in opposition to his plan will rise up and try to defeat those plans out on the campaign trail before gets a chance to be elected and get into the presidency. that is one response he's given all of this. and the other responses come from paul ryan, when they get into congress, when they get into the white house, what they want to do is go to the congress with a framework of proposals that the congress can work with and come back with some concrete specific reasons. so those are the responses, that's the spin coming from the romney campaign, from the ticket themselves. i'll tell you, brooke, being here today at this business luncheon, this comes at a critical time for the romney campaign, just talked about the numbers from the pew poll, those are not good numbers when it comes to how the public feels about how he handled that crisis in the middle east last week. today, the romney campaign is trying to retool his economic message, that's why he's coming out with some specifics today. and you were talking about specifics, one of the things he'll be talking about, something he hasn't talked a whole lot about is what he would do to reduce the budget deficit and he'll be talking today
according to excerpts released from the speech, he'll come out and deliver, that he wants to combine departments of the federal government, phase out agencies of the federal government, these are things he has not talked a whole lot about during the course of the campaign because, as you know, some of the stuff might be politically unpopular, but the campaign says now is the time to start laying out some of the specifics. >> what about specifics on immigration reform? do we know what specifics he might be giving on that? >> reporter: according to the excerpts that have come out on this speech so far no real specifics on immigration right now. one of the things he heard during the primary that irritated a lot of latinos was this talk of self-deportation, he said in the one nbc debate during the prime ridz, the undocumented should self-deport themselves back to their countries of origin, that is not in the excerpt. what is interesting about what is -- what is in this speech might not be the specifics, but what is not in the speech, what he will not be talking about. that might be a sign he's trying to pivot a little bit and
perhaps, you know, soften his rhetoric on immigration as a way to appeal to latino groups. >> so also what he won't say that we will listen for. >> reporter: exactly. >> you read this huge politico story about all the complaints being leveled at stuart stevens, here is a photo of him, romney's chief strategist. what was striking about the politico story was the level of finger pointing within the campaign. they sourced all the aides and friends, you know. kind of stuff you hear from a campaign once it is over and you've lost. >> reporter: you'll remember during the 2008 campaign there was a lot of finger pointing and blame game stuff going on inside the mccain campaign with respect to that decision of picking sarah palin as john mccain's running mate so we're starting to hear some of that same kind of finger pointing that is going on now about what happened at the convention in tampa, a couple of weeks ago, you know. there was some, you know, responses in that political article from sources cited by
the reporters who wrote that article that people inside romney world were not too happy with clint eastwood's speech, that that was a -- that is a major problem for some people inside the romney campaign. i did have a chance to talk to a senior romney adviser about some of this. they're basically dismissing all of this as inside the beltway, inside baseball gossip. and they say that stu is -- in the words of this one adviser -- still very much part of this team. so, brooke this is the kind of stuff that goes on in the latter stages of the campaign. when things haven't been going that well in the last couple of weeks, that's where mitt romney finds himself right now. >> inside the beltway gossip so says a senior romney adviser to you. we'll see what politico's editor in chief thinks about that. we're talking to jim harris in a couple of minutes. jim acosta, thank you very much. we're waiting for mitt romney to speak in los angeles. we'll bring that to you live in a matter of moments. more news developing at this hour, including this. >> as mitt romney gets ready to
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three separate incidents in the last couple of days. the man you're about to see says he is responsible for similar attack back in 2009. he went out on a patrol with u.s. troops, took out his gun, and shot them. cnn's anna corn met him and asked him why did he do it. >> reporter: in a small house in a taliban controlled village is a man who claims to be responsible for a green on blue attack. with his face covered to hide his identity, he pulls out his police uniform. something he hasn't worn since the attack on the second of october, 2009. on patrol with u.s. forces in central afghanistan, this father of two says he waited for an opportunity to launch his premeditated attack. the americans went inside the nearby school for a break, he explains. they took off their body armor and put their weapons down. at that moment, i thought it was the right time so i took my gun and shot them. two soldiers were killed,
25-year-old sergeant aaron smith, and 21-year-old private first class brandon owens. three other soldiers were injured including captain tyler couth. when asked why he turned his gun on the u.s. soldiers training him, he said -- because americans were oppressing people in my country, they were burning copies of the holy koran and disrespecting it. he was later captured by the taliban who thought he was a policeman. when i told them i had killed americans, they took me to a safe place, gave me new clothes. then they drove me to pakistan where the taliban welcomed me very warmly, like a hero. he says he later moved to iran for three years, returning to afghanistan only recently after being told it was safe. they said, americans were not everywhere like they used to be. the taliban had brought security and i should return home. i'm happy to be back in my country. green on blue or insider attacks
as they are known within the military have sharply increased this year, here in afghanistan. it is an alarming trend that has coalition forces extremely worried and every single time there is an attack, the taliban immediately claims responsibility. >> the taliban lie and we know they lie. we think they overstate their influence on the tragic incidents. we think somewhere around 25% of them are insurgent related to some degree. >> reporter: the majority of attacks according to the coalition are related to personal grievances, cultural differences. and the psychological fatigue of an 11-year war that is about to enter its 12th year. and while trust has been undermined forcing new measures to be put in place to protect international troops, the afghanis are determined to ensure the insider attacks don't derail the vital partnership. >> we will continue to work together. we have been working for last 11 years. we have built very good relationship together. and this will continue despite
any efforts by the taliban to make us separate. that will not happen. >> reporter: but for this 30-year-old afghani, he believes these attacks won't stop. i know they will increase, i know more people will do what i did. anna corn, cnn, kabul. >> thank you. in just a couple of minutes, mitt romney is expected to speak live. here live pictures. we're waiting to see mitt romney behind the podium in los angeles in front of the hispanic chamber of commerce as his campaign strategy appears to perhaps alter a tad today. we're going to take a lack at that new turn. we'll dip in live for you next.
president obama is going after a favorite target today on the campaign trail. mitt romney's record at bain capital. the president told the crowd there that romney's promise to fight for fair trade policies with china is undermined by romney's previous careers of venture capitalist. he made his remarks just hours after his administration filed a complaint with the wto, the world trade organization, accusing china of providing a billion dollars in illegal aid
to its auto industry. >> now, i understand my opponent has been running around ohio claim i claiming don't move, vote. vote. but he's been running around ohio claiming he's going to roll up his sleeves and take the fight to china. now here is the thing. his experience has been owning companies that were called pioneers in the business of outsourcing jobs to countries like china. he made money investing in companies that uprooted from here and went to china.
pioneers. now, you can't stand up to china when all you've done is sent them our jobs. >> that was the president a couple of hours ago. he stays in ohio as he's holding a rally later today in columbus. mitt romney, here he is, speaking at this u.s. hispanic chamber of commerce event there in los angeles. before we dip into him, i want to let you know what to listen for. right now, he's talking economy. he just said president obama, and i'm quoting him, failed to produce a real recovery. we're also listening for specifics on perhaps immigration reform. so let's take a listen. >> 9 million more americans not working. 9 million. i expected the president at the convention would talk about the unemployed and unveil a jobs plan. astonishingly, he didn't. now, i have a plan. and my plan for a stronger middle class will create 12 million jobs by the end of my
first term. and it will raise take home pay. my plan is premised on the conviction that it is freedom that drives our economy. that free people creating free enterprises is what creates good jobs with good wages. government supports the job creators, but it cannot take their place. now, our plan, as you heard, has five key steps. first, we'll take advantage of our oil, gas, coal, nuclear and renewables to achieve north american energy independence in eight years. that will not only give us at affordable, reliable energy we need, it will also create nearly 4 million jobs. and it will bring manufacturing back to our country. second -- [ applause ] second, we have got to give our fellow citizens the skills they need for the jobs of today. and we got to give our kids the
education they need for the careers of tomorrow. there are too many of our kids trapped in failing schools. as president, i'll ensure that every child from every background receives a quality education. i'll impair -- empower the -- [ applause ] i'll empower the parents of our low income and special needs students to choose where their child goes to school. now, three, we'll make trade work for america by forging new trade agreements with nations that play by the rurals. at the same time, we'll crack down on nations that don't. we can jump start our economy by expanding trade with latin america. and our nation's 3 million hispanic-owned businesses will have the most to gain. president obama has not initiated a single new trade agreement with latin america. i will.
i will also pursue a comprehensive strategy to confront china's unfair trade practices and i'll do that from day one. [ applause ] now, the president may think that announcing new trade lawsuits less than two months before the election will distract from his record. but american businesses and workers struggling in an uneven playing field know better. if i had known that all it took to get him to take action was to run an ad citing his inaction on china's cheating, i would have run one a long time ago. fourth, we have got to cut the deficit and put america on track to a balanced budget. [ applause ] i actually believe it is immoral for us to continue to spend more than we take in and to pass our debts on to our kids. now, i would like to spend some time talking about this issue in particular. as business men and business
women, and as hispanics, you understand the threat president obama's spending poses for our future. many hispanics have sacrificed greatly to help build our country and our economy. and to leave for their children a brighter future. the day those sacrifices are being put at risk by a president who just can't stop spending, the president -- >> points one through five, mitt romney, looking for specifics, though we have heard this plan, the five-point plan on getting our economy to bounce back if and when he's elected as president. want to make you the promise we're listening in on this speech because a lot of people want to hear specifics when it comes to immigration reform. of course you think about his audience, hispanics, he's at the u.s. hispanic chamber of commerce there in los angeles. just quickly, if you're curious, because i was, in terms of the latest numbers, recent gallop poll gives obama a big among latinos. coming up next, one of romney's
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get their man on more specifics when it comes to, say, policy plans. before i ask you a question, i throw out this poll, because this say recent poll showing that voters now believe obama has the clear plan for solving the country's problems. do you think it is polls like this that have been the catalyst for, you know, camp romney changing, going more specific? >> yes, i think it is polls like that. i also think it is an increasing drumbeat of criticism from the kind of republican elite, conservative intellectuals, political operatives, who are looking at polls and saying something is clearly not going right with the romney campaign. they don't have the momentum they need. and a lot of these people feel that the convention in tampa was a missed opportunity to lay out a really clear, compelling alternative vision to obama. we heard there romney say that obama's failed on the economy, that's been his case all along. we heard about his personal
biography, we heard very little about his policy plans. here is where i would take the country. >> so as we look for specifics, back to your, you know, things aren't going right, great article from politico out last night, the title, outside the campaign. i thought oning newet that ju od out at me, they scrapped the entire acceptance speech eight days out, written by a-list speechwriters, how do you interpret that nugget? >> well, it gives us a window inside the romney operation. we tend to think of mitt romney as a very buttoned down guy, somebody who comes from a corporate background, so crisp, well organized, a classic power point guy. that may be the case with romney personally. it is not true of his campaign. we see a certain amount of chaos that flies around that campaign,
tens to be last minute, improvisational, that's what we saw with the speech. it also tends to be divided by different factions. that's something that happens pretty frequently when you have a campaign in trouble, different power centers emerge and we have seen that. >> let me quote someone here in this piece talking about stu stevens managing the campaign. quote, as the mishaps have piled up, stevens has taken the brunt of the blame for an unwieldly campaign structure that is the joke goes among frustrated republicans, badly needs a consultant from bain and company to straighten it out. i mean, john, are things really that bad behind the scenes? >> look, when a campaign is in trouble, and i think you have to look at the polls and critical swing states, ohio, virginia, florida, all states that anybody needs to win if they're going to win the presidency and see romney behind, what that does is ignite frankly a pretty familiar cycle in politics. when things aren't going well, recriminations within campaigns
start. the finger pointing starts, the background leaks start. and the only thing that can schuh thshoo that away is success. they need success. they need a big break in the news. they need to create their own breaks with policy initiatives. they need some polls that show gaining momentum or you'll hear this chorus of criticism. >> it sounds like according to the sources in the piece, mitt romney is a loyal guy. he's standing by stu stevens and perhaps loyalty isn't necessarily a bad thing. my final question to you, given this article in politico, what is the mood? what really is the mood inside the romney campaign? >> well, i think it is very tense. i think it is very -- there is a lot of mutual suspicion within the campaign of different sides. that's never a winning formula. effective campaigns tend to be very unified, tend to have a sense of esprit de corps throughout the campaign and we're seeing some of that missing with mitt romney.
>> seven weeks and one day to go until november 6th. >> not much time, is it? >> it is not. it is not, sir. john harris, editor in chief of politico. nice have you on. thank you so much. coming up next, the police officer shot 15 times during that sikh temple shooting appears in public for the very first time. you'll hear what he's saying next. great shot. how did the nba become the hottest league on the planet? by building on the cisco intelligent network they're able to serve up live video, and instant replays, creating fans from berlin to beijing. what can we help you build? nice shot kid. the nba around the world built by the only company that could. cisco. capella university understands back from rough economic times. employees are being forced to do more with less. and the need for capable leaders is greater than ever.
first public appearance. a police officer got a huge welcome at a fund-raiser for the victims of the august 5th shooting. tom murray from our affiliate wtnj has his story. >> reporter: this is the first time oak creek police lieutenant brian murphy is appearing publicly since he was shot in the line of duty. a cast visible on his hand, family at his side. murphy arrived to a hero's welcome at this fund-raiser in the bowling alley parking lot across the street from the sikh temple. despite a wound to his throat, the lieutenant wanted to give
this public thank you. >> i just wanted to let everyone know how appreciative i am. my family is, for your kindness, prayers and support. it means so much to us. >> reporter: this is the same lot authorities used as a staging ground when responding to that mass shooting. ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ >> reporter: murphy survived more than a dozen gunshots, survived to celebrate his birthday. ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ >> reporter: at his side, officer sam lenda. he fired the shot that took down the temple gunman, ending this community's darkest hour. >> how about that? tom murray from our affiliate wtnj for that report. in the nuclear standoff with iran, we keep hearing this phrase red line, essentially that the no turning back point. well, israel's prime minister says iran is six months away from a bomb, so you're about to hear where president obama and
mitt romney stand on that very issue. i'm interested in nero law because it is where the rubber hits the road in neuroscience. where we take human behavior and how humans are different and translate that into social policy. i'm david eagleman. i'm a neuroscientist. at some point there will be a crime committed, like the virginia tech shooting, the columbine shooting, or the aurora movie theater shooting and we will find that the perpetrator had a brain tumor. i'm not suggesting any of those events were explained by brain tumors, but at some point that will happen. and then society is going to have to deal with the very difficult question about this relationship between brain and behavior and this question of culpability.
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israel's benjamin netanyahu wants the united states to establish this quote/unquote red line that iran cannot cross with this nuclear program if it wants to avoid war. prime minister netanyahu spoke with cnn's katie crowley yesterday morning saying time is running short to get iran to listen. >> they're moving very rapidly to completing the enrichment of the uranium they need to produce a nuclear bomb. in six months or so, they will be 90% of the way there i think it is important to place a red line in front of iran and i think that reduces the chances of military conflict. if they know there is a point, a stage in the enrichment or other nuclear activities that they cannot cross because they'll face consequences, i think they'll actually not cross it. >> no doubt how the u.s. handles the country that crosses the red line has become part of the race for the white house. cnn goes in depth on the issue of foreign policy this week. see how mitt romney differs from president obama over two looming
issues internationally. first, iran's nuclear program. and secondly, the civil war in syria. the specifics from pentagon correspondent barbara starr. >> reporter: president barack obama and governor mitt romney agree on two crucial national security issues. iran will not be allowed to go nuclear. and syria will not use its chemical weapons. but if it looks like either might happen, they differ on what could trigger sending u.s. troops into action. on syria -- >> we have been very clear to the assad regime, but also to other players on the ground that a red line for us is we start saying a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. that would change my calculus. that would change my equation. >> reporter: the white house won't say what it will do if the red line is crossed. seizing dozens of chemil weapon sites would be tough,
requiring tens of thousands of troops on the ground. romney has openly called for covert action. >> i would instead of watching what is happening in syria from a dispassionate distance, i would be leading in syria by encouraging our friends there, like the turks and the saudis, to provide weapons to the insurgents in syria. >> reporter: he too hasn't said how or when he would use u.s. troops. the bottom line on syria, president obama's red line moving or using chemical weapons. governor romney, advocate s greater u.s. involvement now. on iran, the candidates agree. iran cannot be allowed a nuclear weapon. >> we are determined to prevent iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. >> reporter: romney has a different take. >> clearly we all hope that diplomatic and economic pressures put on iran will dissuade them from becoming a nuclear capability nation. >> reporter: the bottom line on
iran, president obama says the regime would have to take direct steps to acquire a nuclear weapon. for governor romney, the red line, merely having a nuclear capability without actually moving ahead to produce a weapon. but in the case of iran, many believe the red line already has slipped. >> we said that any enrichment was unacceptable in the case of iran and yet here they are with hundreds of kilograms, if not thousands of material. >> reporter: neither candidate is advocating war with syria or iran. both of them, in fact, have expressed hope that the sanctions will work. but if the red lines get crossed, both of those countries pose serious national security challenges to the united states. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. it is an infamous american crime case, a green beret and doctor convicted of killing his pregnant wife and two daughters some 40 years ago, now a new
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forth in the case of convicted murderer jeffrey mcdonald is enough to give you whiplash. today, the latest and perhaps final turn begins. a federal hearing in north carolina will determine if this ex-green beret doctor should get a new trial more than 40 years after this crime. let me take you back to 1970. this military court cleared him of murdering his pregnant wife and two young daughters. fast-forward to 1979, he was convicted in a federal trial. 1980, he went free. the "l.a. times" reports a federal appeals court dismissed the charges. and then in 1982, the u.s. supreme court overturned that ruling. all the why macdonald maintains that hippie intruders were the ones that slaughtered his family. >> are you optimistic? >> if the tests are done legitimately, yes. there is no way that those people were in that house and didn't leave evidence. and the government record shows
the evidence. it shows wig fibers from helena stoakley's wig. it shows brown hair in my wife's hand that was secretly tried -- >> you're saying the government knew this and still went ahead -- >> prosecuted me. >> we bring in sunny hostin. is there enough evidence for a new trial? >> there very well may be, brooke. i've been looking at this case all day. of course i remember the movie and i remember this case very well. the district court judge is going to be looking at two key pieces of new evidence. one, dna. remember, this happened 40 years ago. there was no dna evidence at that time. so three strands of hair were found in jeffrey macdonald's daughter's hand. those hairs don't match anyone in the house. not jenniferly macdonald, not any of the daughters, not his wife. that's a crucial piece of evidence. another piece of evidence that's coming in is this evidence that pertains to helena stoakley.
she says that she told a marshal -- or rather a marshal overheard her telling the prosecutor that she was in the home on the night of these murders and that she witnessed her boyfriend and two other men commit this crime. well, the u.s. marshal says that the prosecutor threatened to prosecute her for murder. and then she recanted -- sort of retracted that story and did not say that when she was on the witness stand. so this is really blockbuster evidence. what is fascinating, though, brooke, they are dead. helena stoakley, no longer alive. the u.s. marshal, no longer alive. >> 40 years has passed. >> exactly. so this case doesn't necessarily get better for jeffrey macdonald. it kind of get worse. >> how long is a hearing in north carolina supposed to last? >> about two weeks. so we may at the end of two weeks hear whether or not jeffrey macdonald will be getting a new trial. >> sunny hostin, please stay with me. we have to talk about something
that every one of you is talking about. and i'm reading your tweets. you're tweeting me about this one on this whole topless photos fiasco involving the royal couple. [ male announcer ] wouldn't it be nice if there was an easier, less expensive option than a traditional lawyer? at legalzoom you get personalized services for your family and your business that's 100% guaranteed. so go to legalzoom.com today for personalized, affordable legal protection. there's a health company that can help you stay that way.
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roland martin definitely did not mince words putting much blame on catherine for the photos. >> there are people with literally lenses that can shoot photos from a mile or two miles away. look, i totally agree on the whole notion of privacy. but what i'm saying is, you have to protect yourself. in boxing, there's a phrase called protect yourself at all times. and you talk to any number of celebrities. they will tell you, they have to think about this beforehand and protect themselves beforehand. i get french law. i get the laws are on the books. but the reality is here when you walk outside of that door, you are in the open space. >> so that was just part of our conversation. the real question is who will the courts find at fault? let me bring sunny hostin back in. first what is the palace saying, first and foremost n this complaint filed in france? >> i love roland martin. i completely disagree with him. the palace is saying enough is enough. they want a line drawn in the sand.
they want the duchess and prince william protected. they are saying this is too much. they're seeking damages. they're seeking an injunction. they don't want the photos to continue being published. and they're also seeking a criminal complaint against the photographers. now, they are leaving it up to french prosecutors to pursue a criminal case for either breach of privacy or trespassing. but what they want, i think, is a line in the sand so that this family can be protected because while they are public, of course, this is the royal family, they also have private lives. and i think the palace wants that distinction made. they want the distinction between the public life of this duchess and the private life of this duchess. and let's face it, this is very personal to prince william because his mother was the most photographed woman in the world and was mowed down by paparazzi which led to her death.
so this is a very personal, i think, thing at this point for the palace. >> final point, this is the point on the other side because the photographer obviously used a crazy high-powered lens to get the photos of her. the magazine says whoever it was that took this photo was on public property. do the royals have a case that their privacy was invaded given that fact? >> they absolutely do. the laws in europe are very robust. the laws in france in particular are very robust. and even now, brooke, in california, we have that anti-paparazzi law that was signed into law by governor schwarzenegger. and you can't use one of these high-powered lenses and stand on public property and then invade the privacy of someone that is in private. this was a private place. this was a private chateau, a family home. they had no business taking these photographs. and when i take off my legal hat and i put on my lady hat, brooke, and you have a lady hat,